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>> here in new york. >> i'm catherine. >> rampell, along. >> with antonio. >> hilton and ayman mohideen. >> tonight. >> a spending bill showdown in the senate. what changes do republicans want? and will the house and president trump agree? >> plus, a devastating weekend for ukraine. russia launches one of the largest air raids yet. why president zelenskyy feels let down by america. >> and back here at home remembering george floyd. five years after he. >> was murdered by. >> a police officer. >> have things. >> improved in minneapolis? we're going to ask the city's current chief of police. all right. good evening, everyone. welcome to the weekend primetime. it is 6:01 p.m. eastern. any moment now, president donald trump is expected to speak at joint base. andrews on this memorial day weekend. we're going to keep an eye on that for you. we're going to bring you live pictures and comments that he makes once we

get them here into the newsroom, and i'm kind of curious to see if he's going to react at all to some of the controversy, if you will, that has been circulating around his commencement address at west point. yes, there was some there was some criticism that he didn't stay and actually shake the hands of all the graduating cadets, something that all previous presidents, including his own vice president, has done before. and he's. >> getting a little bit of heat. >> for that. you know, the white house has come out and said the president had more important things to do. he had to go take some calls with russian and chinese officials. they wouldn't say which russian or chinese officials you see there. president biden congratulating and shaking hands with the graduating class. but we'll see. you know, he said he was on important. >> phone calls. and he's. >> going to address it when he lands at joint base andrews. what do you think? >> i don't. >> know. after that. >> particular commencement speech that he gave, i think it is just like doubly insulting that he didn't then stick around to formally. >> greet and congratulate. >> the graduates. but just to keep. >> this, they didn't feel

honored hearing all about alphonse capone. >> alphonse al lives. >> yes. >> and yachts and other things that are really critical to their upcoming military service. but i also want to keep the emphasis on like, what he's actually doing or not doing or how he's hurting service members and veterans. and given that it is memorial day weekend, you know, he's gutting the va. i think he's cutting it by 15%. he's canceled programs that track. health services, mental health services, a database that tracks cancer, and veterans who have been exposed to various toxic chemicals. he's canceled a program that helps veterans keep their homes if they're facing foreclosure. so, yes, the handshakes. not handshakes. >> that's why that's why we love having you on the show. all right, let's cross over now because trump is speaking. let's listen. >> very importantly. >> we had some very good talks with. >> iran yesterday and today and let's see what happens. >> but i.

>> think we could have some good news on the iran front. likewise with hamas on the. >> on gaza. >> they want to see if we can stop that. and israel, we've been talking to them, and we want to see if we can stop that whole situation as quickly as possible. >> but having to do with nuclear. >> we've had some very, very good. talks with iran, and i don't. >> know if. >> i'll be telling you anything good or bad over the next two days. >> but i. >> have a feeling i. >> might be. >> telling you something good. >> we've had some real progress, serious progress. on any other front, i don't know. do you have. >> any questions? >> do you have a message. >> for. >> the senate? >> a lot of. republicans have said they're going to be. >> significant changes. >> to the budget bill. well. >> i want the senate. and the senators. >> to change. >> you know, to. >> make the changes they want. >> and we'll go back to the. >> house and we'll see if we can get them. in some cases, those changes maybe are something i'd agree with, to be honest. you

know, it happens. >> but we've had a very good. >> response from the senate. >> and i don't know how. >> democrats can't vote for it if they don't vote for it. they're talking about a 68% tax increase. >> remember that. >> if the democrats. >> don't vote. >> it's a 68%. >> tax increase, which is ridiculous. >> and one of the. >> things that's being. >> covered indirectly is the fact that. >> we'll be. >> lowering the cost of. >> drugs from. 50 to 85% under trump. >> and it's going to have. >> indirectly. >> something to do, not directly, but. >> indirectly. >> something to do with. >> the with the bill, the one big beautiful bill. >> and it. >> is a big, beautiful bill. and so i think the. >> senate. >> is going to get there. i hope they're going to get there. i think they're going to have changes. some will be minor and some will be, you know, fairly significant. but we've been working with the house all the way up. they've been working together, and the speaker has been working with the leader of the senate. and, you know, they've done a great job. john thune and mike johnson have done

a fantastic job. they've been working together all the way up. so hopefully that will be fine. president trump, he's. >> under federal investigation. >> do you have. >> a comment on that and how that should impact the mayoral election. >> coming out? no, i was surprised. i didn't know exactly. i just read about it, just like you did, having to do with andrew. i've known andrew and we've had an on off relationship. he was saying the greatest things about me. i'm the greatest president. et cetera. and then the next day it hit us. but i did a lot for them. i brought in the ship during the covid crisis. i brought in the mercy ship, and i built about 3000 units in the javits convention center, and he didn't use them. i don't understand it. he wanted them, but he didn't use them. but i hope it's going to be okay. i hope it's not going to be serious for him. let's see what happens. you spoke to the european. >> commission president von der leyen. >> did you. >> discuss the 50%. >> tariffs and did you agree to

it? >> she just. >> called me. >> as you know, and she asked for an extension on the june 1st date. and she said she wants to get down to serious negotiation because i, i told you specifically what i told anybody that would listen. they have to do that. and we had a very nice call and i agreed to move it. i believe june 9th would be july 9th would be the date. that was the date she requested. could we move it from june 1st to july 9th? and i agreed to do that and that she said, we will rapidly get together and see if we can work something out. another question. >> you announced on friday about u.s. steel. >> and. >> nippon steel. what will the ownership structure look like? what made you say. >> it'll be controlled by the united states, otherwise i wouldn't make the deal. i went to the unions, to the all of the local unions. they all wanted it. and i'm doing it because all of the congressmen came in, about five of them. and the others, i understand, are in concurrence. and they asked that

i do it. everybody seems to want it. and we'll see. i mean, you know, we'll see what the final is, but they're going to invest billions of dollars in steel and it's a good company. nissan is a very good company. we'll see. but it would it's an investment and it's a partial ownership. but it will be controlled by the usa. president trump on saudi. arabia you pay. >> back with a lot of investments. there's an american. >> who's stuck there and. >> facing a trial. >> for tweets. >> his family wants. >> you to intervene. >> and ask the. >> crown. >> prince to let him go. what do you think about that? >> i haven't heard about it at all. if you give me the information on the plane. are you on the plane? give me the information. i'll see what i can do. do you think he's okay? i'm a reporter. i can't tell you, but are you giving a recommendation? no. i'm not. okay, well, then maybe i won't do it. i don't know, you tell me. the way you. the way you posed the question. i thought you assumed it was. he was okay. what did he do? >> supposedly sent. >> some political tweets. >> about saudi arabian politics.

>> were they bad? he said he. >> approved of naming a street. >> renaming a street in d.c. it. >> was fairly. innocent stuff by american standards. >> let me take a look. >> you tried. >> an. >> update on russia and ukraine as well? >> yeah, i'll give you an update. i'm not happy with what putin is doing. he's killing a lot of people, and i don't know what the hell happened to putin. i've known him a long time. i've always gotten along with him. but he's sending rockets into cities and killing people, and i don't like it at all. okay, we're in the middle of talking, and he's shooting rockets into kyiv and other cities. i don't like it at all. >> president. >> what do. >> you. >> want to do about that? >> i'm surprised. i'm very surprised. we'll see what we're going to do. what am i going to tell you? you're the fake news, aren't you? you're totally fake. all right. any other questions? i don't like what putin is doing. not even a little bit. he's killing people. and something happened to this guy, and i don't like it. >> i follow up on that. a russian commander reportedly said that putin was almost

caught in the middle of a drone attack from ukraine. >> so do you. >> have any? i haven't heard that, but maybe that would be a reason. i don't know, but i have not heard that. >> secretary. >> acting chief of. >> staff is the biden administration holdover who has said some very. >> critical things about. >> you. >> and vice president vance. >> a few thoughts on that. who is the chief of staff. >> for syria? >> i have no idea who he is, but if he did say that, i would recommend that we don't take him. i mean, if he did say something like that, i would recommend we don't take him. but let's see. i'll take a look. korea. i'll check it out. yeah. on harvard. >> do you think. >> you'll come for their endowment in any way or go after financial aid? >> well, look, part of the problem with harvard is that there are about 31%, almost 31% of foreigners coming to harvard. we give them billions of dollars, which is ridiculous. we do grants, which we're probably not going to be doing much

grants anymore to harvard, but there are 31%. but they refuse to tell us who the people are. we want to know who the people are. now, a lot of the foreign students we wouldn't have a problem with. i'm not going to have a problem with foreign students, but it shouldn't be 31%. it's too much because we have americans that want to go there and to other places, and they can't go there because you have 31% foreign now, no foreign government contributes money to harvard. we do. so why are they doing so many? number one. number two, we want a list of those foreign students. and we'll find out whether or not they're okay. many will be okay, i assume. and i assume with harvard many will be bad. and then the other thing is they're very anti-semitic. everybody knows they're anti-semitic. and that's got to stop immediately. president trump, secretary, are you with new york post? oh, i like the new york post. i like keith pool. okay. >> so the secretary. >> is going to be nicer to him i didn't know. go ahead.

>> secretary benson has said that we don't. >> need to return. >> textile manufacturing. >> to the. >> united states. >> how do you see like a lot of your reciprocal. >> tariffs are. >> pretty big on those low income countries? >> i know i tend to agree we're not looking to make sneakers and t shirts, and we want to make military equipment. we want to make big things. we want to make do the eye thing with the computers and the many, many, many, many elements. but the textile, you know, i'm not looking to make t shirts, to be honest. i'm not looking to make socks. we could do that very well at other locations. we are looking to do chips and computers and lots of other things and tanks and ships, meaning ships. yeah. >> you mentioned. >> you. >> were happy. >> with the talks. >> with iran. >> will there. >> be another. >> round of. >> talks soon? >> very soon. the iran talks. i can't tell you what's going to happen tomorrow. i can tell you the iran talks have been going very well. >> you said. >> you're unhappy. i'd love that

to happen because i'd love to see no bombs dropped and a lot of people did. i really would like to see that happen. and i think there's a good chance that it could happen. >> you mentioned. >> you're unhappy with. >> president putin. >> you've talked before about putting more sanctions. >> on russia. >> is that something. >> you're considering more seriously? >> absolutely. he's killing a lot of people. i don't know what's wrong with him. what the hell happened to him? right. he's killing a lot of people. i'm not happy about that. go ahead. what else? anything else? >> just a person. >> arrested for. >> attempting to. plot in israel to throw molotov cocktails at a u.s. embassy office in tel aviv? >> yeah. >> the person also reportedly who's. >> a dual german. >> u.s. citizen. >> issued threats. against your life. >> it's my life. >> against your life? yes, sir. >> we've got a lot of them around. we got a lot of sick people around. thank you very much, everybody. thank you, thank you. >> all right. you are listening

to president donald trump speaking from morristown, new jersey, for about ten minutes or so, covering a lot of ground, speaking about foreign policy, a little bit of trade. he started off by talking about the iran talks, the negotiations that have been taking place between the united states and iran, third party talks being hosted in some cases, italy or oman trying to get to a nuclear deal. the president sounded somewhat optimistic. i would have to say, in a stark contrast to what we have seen coming out of the iranian side, which has been more cautious. the president was much more optimistic, saying, you know, that there's a very good chance it could happen. he didn't want to say that anything was going to happen tomorrow, but that something could happen. he's going to wait to see how those calls progress. he did have some very harsh words on the russian president. of course, russia has carried out a barrage of attacks on ukraine in the past 24 hours, one of the deadliest that we've seen in quite some time. but the president a departure from him really singling out vladimir putin by name here, not mentioning ukraine at all, singling out vladimir putin,

saying he's not happy with putin, questioning what the hell has happened to him. >> i don't. >> like it. i don't like it at all. i am very surprised. he has been killing a lot of people. what the hell happened to him? and then on something i'm curious to get your thoughts on as well. the issue of trade. perhaps some news here that's going to have some impact on the markets tomorrow morning. you've got the president, united states, saying that the trade deadline that was between the united states and the eu, that was supposed to go into effect june 1st, those tariffs has now been extended to july 9th, based on a phone call that he says just happened between him and the eu commissioner, ursula von der leyen, that has, based on her request, has now been moved to july 9th. so a lot there from the president that we're going to unpack. let's bring into the conversation dean obeidallah, who is listening to some of that with us. sure. dean, quite a lot. i mean, you can take your pick from where you want to start, but let's start with this news about vladimir putin, the president really expressing his disappointment. and to your point, and, tony, that you were

making, it's almost as if he has just heard or just learned about who vladimir putin is for the first time, saying, i've known this guy for a long time. what the hell has happened to putin? shocked. he's shocked. what is happening to putin that putin is killing people? >> donald trump has. >> never. >> done anything like this. >> level of rhetoric. >> is different. >> yeah. >> i'll give you that. >> will he do anything. >> different in policy? >> i don't know, maybe the fact that it's so in our face, it was. covered everywhere in. >> the. >> nation today. zelenskyy was saying, america. >> you can't be silent in the face of this. it's embarrassing to him. >> maybe it's literally. >> that simple on a human. >> level where he's embarrassed. >> well. >> he. >> backed it. >> up with anything, i. don't know. but he was supposed to solve that in the. >> first 24 hours. he's supposed to. >> have gaza. by the way, with iran. >> we may have a deal. >> we may. >> not have a deal. the deal might. >> be. exactly what obama reached. it might be less not as good as that, but he'll. >> tell. >> us it's even better. so there's. >> no real strategy. >> there's no consistency. it's a challenging time for you journalists to cover a. >> guy. who covered. >> and there are.

>> some. >> other questions. five minutes later and. he'll be flip. >> flop on some of the same answers on the same issues. >> yeah, he changed his mind on a bunch of different things. not only this apparent news that the tariffs on the eu will be delayed until july, which i'm sure markets will be very excited about. he also said, we don't want to make t shirts, sneakers and socks in the united states, which is at odds with everything else we've heard from this administration because they are tariffing t shirts, sneakers and socks from abroad saying that we want all of that stuff made here. so i do wonder also like how markets are going to interpret that tomorrow in addition to the eu news. >> well. >> they're lucky they're off tomorrow right. it's memorial day. >> that's right. >> because there's. no strategy. >> i mean that's the point. there is no strategy. you're an investor. >> how do. >> you plan for this? >> if you. >> were a company, would you build. >> manufacturing in america. >> where tomorrow. >> he says, you know, yesterday we want to build everything here. we want everything made here. tomorrow i'll make exceptions except for chips and maybe. >> iphones now, but maybe iphones, not later. >> i don't know how anyone. >> plans. >> for this from a business point. >> of view. >> let me get your thoughts really quickly on the budget talks because he did say also, which is interesting, we've been covering this, but the talks

between the senate and the house, he's saying that the senate is likely to make some changes. he said it could be some minor changes. hope it's going to be okay. but at the same time, he said, there will be some fairly significant changes and then it will go back to the house. how would you read that? >> because i don't know, because changes in which direction? >> you didn't talk about medicaid, you didn't talk about what. >> he might like some of the changes, right? yeah. but he didn't say exactly like, what is that changes to medicaid and their current plans. >> yeah. i mean, i feel like i'm beating a dead horse here. but i keep saying every time we talk about the budget that republicans in congress, in the house and in the senate want opposite things, like some of them want the bill to become more heartless, right? essentially, to cut medicaid and snap more so that the overall bill doesn't add as much to the debt. some of them want it to become less heartless and not cut, or maybe not even touch medicaid. josh hawley, for example, has said that, hey, these are our voters now, guys. maybe we shouldn't be taking their health care away. so, like, what does it mean if they

want like, fundamentally opposite things? where where does the change go and what what is trump going to embrace. >> yeah. no very valid questions. let me get your thoughts about what he said about harvard. yeah. because you've been reporting on it all week. you were there at harvard over the course of the last couple of days. he was asked about it and he kind of goes off on, you know. >> one one quick little fact check. >> yeah, please. absolutely. >> the folks at home who heard this. >> let's recap what they said. he said 31% of harvard students are foreigners. we want to know who these people are. we want the list of foreign students. i would assume they already have that. these students who come into the united states, they're applying for visas in addition to applying for harvard. so at some point they have to go through a system to get their visas, which means that the referencing. >> is that they want very specific disciplinary information and data. right? they have made all kinds of requests from the school, from wanting to be able to track activism on campus. they're also very interested in understanding the viewpoints of faculty and being able to monitor that. so they're, you know, it's not just, oh, we need a list of who

happens to be there. and then and then we'll we'll leave you alone. this is there's a whole sort of ideological project underpinning this whole thing. it may sound like not a lot, but it's not 31%. it's 27%. so just over a quarter of the student body there. right. and, you know, he also made this comment. i couldn't quite tell if he was saying the school was anti-semitic or suggesting that foreign students are the source of antisemitism on campus. that would. >> be a new. >> dimension of the argument made here. right? but it was also interesting because and i'm sure there are lawyers at harvard who are like getting the transcript of this whole thing now and preparing for all of this as they battle it out with them. but he when he speaks on this off the cuff, he veers off their central argument, which is allegedly that campus leadership and faculty have allowed anti-semitism to fester on this campus, that they've allowed violence to be perpetrated on the campus. they've failed. like

when secretary noam sent that letter the other day, she didn't actually introduce any evidence. specific cases, names of students who are alleged to have done this stuff, which you are typically supposed to do when you make accusations like that. but then it sounds more like he's just frustrated that a whole lot of people who aren't american are, which is a very different argument. making the campus is unsafe. we need to make changes because the campus is unsafe. now, it kind of sounds like you just don't like the makeup of the campus. >> yeah. and you don't like the diversity. >> of the campus. >> he actually said that. he said, you know, there are americans that should be going or want to go to these schools. and he somehow, again, in some ways, it's a little bit of the great replacement theory that international students are coming to harvard. and as a result of it, americans cannot go to harvard because they're taking. >> have better things to do than to manage the enrollment decisions of a private university. >> in in a vacuum, yes, but. in the real world. and i just interviewed doctor professor steven levitsky. >> from. >> harvard, who co-wrote. >> how democracies die. all autocrats. >> go.

>> after cultural institutions like schools like harvard, because they are centers of independent dissent. so this is from the autocratic playbook. this is not just one university, kristi noem said. this is going to be a message for all schools. they want to control it. and when you look at that letter they sent to harvard, it wasn't just about anti-semitism. that was like 5%. it was controlling the students that come in the classes tenure. they want to take control. they want to make harvard university, trump university, which is not a good thing. >> that's not a good school. >> but when i was on the campus, students were saying, i think he wants to be the provost. he wants. >> he wants to run the school. >> but again, that's what autocrats. >> do from. >> across time. >> in the modern era, in hungary to latin america. that's what they do. so people should look at it in the bigger picture. this is an autocratic playbook coming to life right in front. >> of us. >> i mean, mao and stalin, yes, they all went after the. >> intellectuals especially. they love viktor orban in hungary. he's done that completely there. he did it over 15 years. they're doing it in 3 to 4 months, which is kind of remarkable. >> i always find it interesting. another point that he brought up when he talked about andrew

cuomo, because we talked a little bit about this on the show yesterday. when it comes to these questions of retribution, he's always like, i don't know anything about it. this guy is he knows down to the detail that 31% of students at harvard, well, he's actually correct. i know he factually doesn't know that, but he's willing to throw that out there. but then when it comes to what is considered a politically motivated case against andrew cuomo, amongst many others, he's like, i don't know anything about it. i wish him luck. i hope it's i hope it turns out okay for him. >> he's remarkable. by the way, you should try to get andrew cuomo on your show. >> to talk. >> he's standing in front. >> we've been. >> trying to. >> get him on. >> my show. >> andrew cuomo. >> really. >> hard to get on so he could talk about it. but look, this, this weaponization by this d.o.j. is unlike anything we've seen. and again, it's back to that autocratic, autocratic playbook. it's not in a vacuum. there is a big master plan here. if trump knows it or doesn't instinctually the other the project 2025 guys, stephen miller, they know it very well. this is what this is all part of it. >> all right. let me get on one last thing really quickly, which was the specifically the we

don't want to make sneakers and shirts and we want to make big things like chips. >> he kept. >> saying chips over and over. did he mean potato chips? like what was. >> he chips and chips. >> chips. oh, he said chips and chips. >> yeah. chips. tanks and ships. >> there's no again. let's see if i can go back in time to the beginning. when i came on i didn't know. >> american military is not made out to. i mean, i think we should fact check that, right? i suspect that the american military hardware is made in the united states. >> there's no strategy. >> if you talk. >> to him tomorrow when he. gets off that plane, he'll say something differently. what he really wants, we don't know. you know, he wants to control. he wants to control economy. yeah. like autocrats, like others where it's controlling everything. no more free market. from a business point of view, i don't know how any businessperson can invest in this country right now with an autocrat and with a guy who's today's one thing and tomorrow's the next. that's what we're still dealing with. very challenging. >> it gives it gives off very reality tv vibes when he's like, i can't tell you what's going to happen tomorrow, but something. tune in, tune in, something good could happen. i'm not going to tell you, dean. don't go anywhere. we're gonna squeeze in

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>> overnight, russia launched its largest aerial assault on ukraine since the war began more than three years ago. at least 12 people were killed, including four children. hundreds more were injured. moscow used drones and missiles to pound kyiv and other areas of the country. ukrainian president zelenskyy called on president trump to pressure russia's putin. writing on x this cannot be ignored. silence of america, silence of others around the world only encourage putin. and just moments ago, trump spoke about putin. take a listen. >> i'm not happy with what putin is doing. he's killing a lot of people. and i don't know what the hell happened to putin. i've known him a long time, always gotten along with him. but he's sending rockets into cities and killing people, and i don't like it at all. okay, we're in the middle of talking, and he's

shooting rockets into kyiv and other cities. i don't like it at all. president. what do you want to do about it? i'm surprised. i'm very surprised. we'll see what we're going to do. what am i going to tell you? you're the fake news, aren't you? you're totally fake. all right. any other questions? i don't like what putin is doing. not even a little bit. he's killing people. and something happened to this guy, and i don't like it. >> and joining us now is rick stengel, the former undersecretary of state for public diplomacy and public affairs. he is the former managing editor of time magazine. and back with us still is dean obeidallah. thank you guys. all right, rick, i will start with you. president zelenskyy is calling out the u.s. for being silent here. you know, the other day, trump seemed to put most of the blame on zelenskyy. now it appears this evening he is very frustrated with putin. do you think president trump has actually listened to zelenskyy now? do you think this is a genuine shift? >> you know i don't know, but

i'm glad he said what he said. i'm glad he called out putin. you know, the flaw of all of trump's negotiations is that he thinks he's negotiating with a person who has emotions and feelings. >> you know. >> there's a famous lord palmerston quote, nations have no permanent friends. >> or enemies. >> they have permanent interests. vladimir putin represents. russia's interests. he's not he's not. you can't affect his personality. you can't trick him to something. he's been doing this for decades and decades. and so trump thinks, look, i'm glad he called putin out. obviously he's angry. he thinks when he's angry at somebody, people respond. i hope putin responds, but putin is just playing a longer game. you know, what happens. >> with war. >> negotiations is that the country who's gaining ground on the battlefield doesn't want to negotiate, and the country that's losing ground on the battlefield does want to negotiate. putin doesn't want to negotiate. zelensky does. >> well, let me get your

thoughts about that specifically, given what we just saw. right. because psychologically, rick, donald trump sounds that he is surprised about who vladimir putin has revealed himself to be. and yet, at the same time, to your point, it seems like donald trump is begging or pleading for negotiations from vladimir putin. and so by what you were just describing, if you're out there trying to negotiate your national interests, donald trump seems to have been basically begging vladimir putin to negotiate with him. and vladimir putin, who is winning the war, certainly by some accounts, has no incentive to negotiate. and it makes america and by extension, donald trump, look like they're losing if they're begging him to negotiate. >> i think that's right. and i mean, you know, they love using the poker analogy. who's got a strong hand, who's got. >> a. >> weak hand. you know, when you're when you're begging, you know, a world leader to do something. you have a weak hand, you know, he should speak softly

and carry a bigger stick. instead, he speaks very loudly and carries a small stick, and putin is stringing him along. and look, i would love, you know, trump's words to have some effect on putin, to say, yeah, i'm going to, you know, hightail it to the negotiating table and we're going to have a cease fire. but that doesn't seem like it's happening. >> dean, do you think to some extent, trump and the trump administration more broadly, they just don't have the stomach for this anymore? like, are we at a point dangerously close to the point at which he's going to want to disengage from the war entirely? >> i think donald trump's attention span is very, very short from what we've seen about him. you know, marco rubio, last month when they were negotiating in doha, said, if this doesn't get done right away, we're going to walk away, right? we're going to walk. and trump suggests that again just a week ago. so look, trump thought, i get in quick deal. this is embarrassing to trump. i hope the maga world is looking at donald trump and seeing how weak he is, and how how vladimir putin is emasculating him on the world stage. if he had any toughness

at all, donald trump, he would step up and do something in terms of policy, whatever that might be. it's got to be something more than words standing outside of the jet before he flies off. so we'll see if policy changes. but he looks so weak donald trump right now. >> rick, i'm curious to hear your thoughts about how much trump's policy toward russia and ukraine is driven by trump himself, who clearly has some kind of man crush on putin versus the diehard beliefs of those around him. i mean, we have heard jd vance, for example, suggest that we should not be over there helping our ally ukraine. we also saw recently that the newly appointed spokesperson at the pentagon had tweeted not that long ago that she was proud to take down, quote unquote, globalist ukraine. so how much of this is about what trump's instincts are versus about advice he is actually getting from those around him? >> catherine, i think it's

mostly trump. >> i mean, if. >> you look at other people around him, like secretary rubio, secretary rubio is a classic. you know, george bush republican, you know, stand up to dictators, stand up to old communists. you know, he has changed his spots. and so i you know, there's this kind of disengagement. >> with. >> the world, you know, like the america first from lindbergh, which is like, we're not going to do anything about bullies. we're not going to stand up to bullies, we're just going to withdraw. and i just don't think that reflects the best of american foreign policy, or 80 years of american foreign policy, or the investment we already have in ukraine. now, you know, from the last two administrations. >> do you think, rick, if i can just kind of go back to iran for a moment because it was part of the news and the president signaling that he's kind of optimistic about it. you were obviously in the obama administration during the jcpoa. give me your read on. what is the best case scenario that can

come out? because most people assess that the chances of getting a deal as good as jcpoa have long gone. iran has much different capabilities now. they have said very clearly, yes, we are giving up nuclear weapons. we will not give up any form of enrichment. >> yeah. >> i mean, even the best case scenario is something closer to the iran deal that that president obama and secretary kerry negotiated. i mean, and as you say, the times have changed. they've had another years of enrichment. i mean, i think what you want is this baseline of iran agreeing we're not going to make an atomic an offensive atomic weapon. we'll go up close up to the line. we're not going to use it against israel or anybody else, but they'll be they'll have a capacity where they could probably, you know, i don't know whether it's three months or six months or a year to be able to create an atomic weapon. i don't think they're

going to put everything away and start from zero again. quick thing. i mean, i wonder now that since saudi has thawed the relationship with iran, if donald trump would sell out the interest of israel on a certain extent and not check in with them, on making a deal that allows some enrichment that we know netanyahu doesn't want because saudi doesn't. at this point, saudis made a choice. they made a decision working with iran, not being the enemy completely in dealing with it is in their best interest in the long run. so i wonder how this is all going to work out in that regard. and i wonder if rick thinks there's any chance that you might have. they reach a deal that netanyahu really hates and they agree to it. yeah. >> rick, what do you think? >> well, well, dean, i mean, just as trump is not able to really influence vladimir putin, he's not really able to influence bibi netanyahu. i mean, trump's dream, which i think is a positive one, is some treaty or friendship between saudi arabia and israel. but the

saudis have said, we're not going to do that. absent a two state solution of some deal with the palestinians and with gaza. i mean, but all of these, you know, they're all related to each other. you know, the saudis fear iran more than anybody. they fear iran more than they fear israel. you could have a kind of a through line. >> where you. >> do a deal with iran. you get netanyahu to come to some agreement with the palestinians. you get peace between saudi arabia and israel. and that would be a whole new middle east. >> yeah. >> okay. well, dean obeidallah and rick stengel, please stay with us. coming up, we'll talk about trump's extended eu deadline and what's behind his decision. you're watching the decision. you're watching the weekend primetime. prilosec knows, for a fire... one fire extinguisher beats 10 buckets of water, and for zero heartburn 1 prilosec a day... beats taking up to 10 antacids a day. it's that simple, for 24 hour heartburn relief... one beats ten. prilosec otc.

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to help businesses figure out what to do? >> you know what's kind of weird here, catherine? that trump said like a month ago. i have 200 trade deals already done. you remember that there's only 190 countries, but he had 200 trade deals. he went back and renegotiated ten more deals. now we have one sketch of a deal with the uk, which is not even finalized. all he wants is the press coverage. the big thing with the white house uk deal, we don't have a deal yet. they might never close, you know that. we know that might not close this eu thing. friday he says 50%. now he walks it back. the market goes up and down and people will call my show. and yes, i have a radio show. call my show. i've heard say this is all about market manipulation and i'm not sure if it's true or not, but it continues to chip away at the credibility. anyone can have in his leadership who would invest in a company that he's a ceo of, and he's the ceo of united states of america. so our foreign investors are going to invest in our country, and i fear they're not for treasuries and for manufacturing. and that affects all of us going forward. >> catherine, can you actually speak to the question you just asked? if you are a business

owner in the us, a small business owner who is not going to be able to just call up the white house and work something out with trump yourself, what are you realistically doing right now? how do you plan around these kinds of moves? i mean, you're getting an update on your phone right now. i guess that the trade war is on pause for a minute. well. >> you still have to deal with the 10%, only 10% tariff. >> 2,010% tariff. >> which at one point were the worst case scenario. so terrible when trump talked about them during the campaign that nobody, nobody in the market seemed to believe that they were going to happen. and now we just take them for granted. i think if you talk well, when i've talked with small businesses, basically they've said that they've had to put everything on pause, right, because they don't actually know what their costs will be. it's very difficult to plan not only to make new orders, but if they if they have orders in process in china, they may have put down a 50% deposit. but they're really worried about actually taking custody of those products that they've had. you know, whether it's sneakers or

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to welcome the largest recruit class the city has seen since the 1990s. and of the people that we are hiring today, 60% of those people are people of color. and that's a significant change for what had been typical in minneapolis in the past. >> chief, can i get your thoughts on transparency and accountability? there's been some criticism, not just at your police department, but police departments across the country. but i wanted to get your thoughts on where you come down on making more internal records accessible to the public, specifically on issues of misconduct and internal disciplinary actions taken by the police force. we have seen too many times, police officers able to move from one precinct to another or from one jurisdiction to another, and any personal misconduct allegations that are against them. those records do not transfer over. have you addressed that in your police department over the last five years, and if so, how? >> so? that's a great question, and i think people have to realize that varies very

significantly from state to state and then from jurisdiction to jurisdiction. so the state of minnesota, for example, has, you know, a lot more records than what had been typical from the state of new jersey, which is where i was a police officer in newark before i came here three years ago. but i think part of the issue becomes when we do have, you know, records available, that it can sometimes be just enough to cause a problem and that oftentimes there's only so much information that you can release, which raises questions more than it provides answers. so i think it's a very complicated issue. you know, one thing that i have addressed here that feeds into all of that uncertainty and actually causes morale problems as well, has been the significant backlog in in cases in internal affairs here. and so

we're very close, hopefully by next month to clear out what had been, in some cases, many years worth of internal affairs cases that had not been finalized until i arrived. and that obviously causes problems because internally discipline needs to be close in time to when bad behavior occurs. we want to put a check on somebody and correct it, but also externally, people don't have faith that the system is account is holding officers accountable. >> chief o'hara, thank you so much for joining us tonight. we know you have a community that is very much depending on that work that you're currently going through and trying to hold on to many of their hopes and original visions for reform here. so stick around for more of the weekend prime time. coming up, the mayor of jersey city is just moments away with a message for maga conspiracy theorists. then the new biden book that's getting a whole lot of buzz. original sin coauthor alex thompson is here. we'll find out. we'll find out why this

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